A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with Gerhard Adler, Ph.D.
“Jung really has established that idea of man as part of the cosmic pattern. And man, as part of the cosmic pattern, has been given back his dignity as the individual.”
Gerhard Adler was born in 1904 and raised in Berlin. He took a doctorate from the University of Freiburg. When he was only 26 he began analysis with Jung. Later, with Jung’s approval, he decided to become an analyst himself. Shortly after Hitler came to power, he moved to London where he became a leading Jungian analyst and a co-founder of the original Jungian training society. He was chosen by Jung, along with Dr. Michael Fordham, to edit the Collected Works of Jung in English and was co-editor with Aniela Jaffe of Jung’s Letters, Vol I & II. This interview includes a colorful recollection of his first meeting with Jung. He comments on Jung’s relationship with colleagues and gives a moving reminiscence of his own relationship to Jung’s close associate, Toni Wolff. He expresses his view that Jung’s importance for the future lies more in his deeper work on the nature of the psyche than on his clinical views of the processes of psychotherapy.
This conversation with Suzanne Wagner, Ph.D., a Jungian analyst practicing in Sausalito, California, was filmed in 1976 in Palo Alto, California.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with Mary Bancroft
"I was mad at him for a year. I felt that Jung should tell me what to do, and he wouldn't."
Born into a prominent Boston family, Mary Bancroft became a journalist and novelist. She lived with her Swiss husband and children in a remote village in the Alps prior to World War II. Curiosity and a difficulty drew her to Jung with whom she worked analytically for over l0 years. During the war, Mary was trained as a special agent under Allen Dulles, head of the Office of Strategic Services (now the CIA). Here she reflects on her personal impressions of Jung, her work with Dulles, and her perspective on Jung’s contributions to the modern world.
This conversation with Suzanne Wagner, Ph.D., a Jungian analyst practicing in Sausalito, California, was filmed in Mary’s home in Manhattan in April of 1978.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with Dieter Baumann, M.D.
“He was an excellent cook and a sailor. He had what the Greeks call techne. Techne means art and skill. I remember during the war, in the backyard at Bollingen, he planted corn. He invented a device to sow the corn.”
Born in Schaffhausen, Switzerland in 1928, Dr. Baumann is a grandson of C.G. Jung and the brother of Wolf Baumann. As a young man he became interested in psychiatry and the work of his grandfather. He took a medical degree at the University of Zurich and practices in both Zurich and Milan. He lectures worldwide and is often consulted by Americans who travel to Switzerland for analysis. Here he describes his memories and personal impressions of his grandfather at various stages of his life. He comments on Jung’s interest in Eastern philosophy, describes his distress over W.W. II, and his deep concern for the future of all mankind. He emphasizes the value of Jung’s tower retreat at Bollingen for his process of introversion, reflection and writing in later life.
This conversation with Suzanne Wagner, Ph.D., a Jungian analyst practicing in Sausalito, California, and Liga Pang, an artist from Los Angeles and Tokyo, took place in a meadow beside the Zurichsee near Bollingen, Switzerland in September 1979.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with Wolf Baumann
“I think it’s not important for me anymore, like for Jung, to know if there really is a God in the skies; but it is important to know that there are marks in the soul, marks of God: archetypes, if you want.”
Born in Schaffhausen, Switzerland in 1932, Wolf is a grandson of C. G. Jung, and the brother of Dr. Dieter Baumann. He grew up in Zurich and obtained a law degree in 1958 from the University of Zurich. Though he expressed an early interest in Jung’s work, he eventually turned to the fields of business and banking. He lives and works in Basle. Here he describes his memories of Jung and of his grandmother Emma. He comments on the frequent misunderstandings of Jung’s work and the dangers of the tendency for some people to turn him into a prophet, or a “religious figure.” He emphasizes Jung’s positive relationship to nature and the earth, and the effect Jung’s essay "Answer to Job" had on his own religious attitudes.
This conversation with Suzanne Wagner, Ph.D., a Jungian analyst practicing in Sausalito, California, was filmed in September of 1979 in the office of Wolf Baumann in Basle, Switzerland.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with Heinrich Fierz, M.D.
“Jung was not apt to be a father figure. He was in an astonishing way, near to you, natural, because he sits down and after ten seconds, you felt you spoke with a brother, not with a father.”
Born in Basle, Switzerland in 1912, Heinrich Fierz lived most of his life in Zurich and was acquainted with C.G. and Emma Jung from an early age. He took a medical degree in 1932, and for the next thirty years he analyzed regularly with Jung, and attended his seminars. For many years he was the director of the Clinic am Zurichberg. He is the author of many articles and of the book, Jungian Psychiatry, which is available in English translation. Here, he offers penetrating portraits of C.G. Jung, Emma Jung, and Toni Wolff. He comments on the transference in analysis, on synchronicity and parapsychological phenomena, on the nature of the father archetype in individuation, and on the specific psychological climate of the late twentieth century opening to the future.
This conversation with Suzanne Wagner, Ph.D., a Jungian analyst practicing in Sausalito, California, was filmed in July of 1976 at Kusnacht near Zurich in the garden of Dr. Fierz’s home
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with Michael Fordham, M.D.
“I think his greatness stems from his real capacity to understand the essential content of a particular piece of human distress. And when he did that, he was unrivaled. I think it’s a pity he didn’t give us more of that.”
Dr. Fordham was born in London in 1905. He studied medicine at Trinity College, Cambridge. As a young physician he consulted with Dr. Peter Baynes, a Jungian analyst in London. Later, after meeting Jung, he decided to leave Neurology and become a psychoanalyst. He was co-editor of the Collected Works of Jung in English and was a founding member of the Society of Jungian Analysts in London. Fordham was a pioneer in the study of the unconscious in the lives of children. In this interview he tells of his first encounter with Jung, the qualities he saw in Emma Jung, and on Jung’s relationship with his close associate, Toni Wolff. He speaks of Jung’s contribution in working with transference, and shares his own thoughts on the future directions of analytical psychology.
This conversation with Dr. Suzanne Wagner, a Jungian Analyst practicing in Sausalito, California, was filmed in December 1978 in Fordham’s office in London.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with Gilda Frantz
"It takes a long time to not only become a conscious person, but to stay a conscious person. Jung said that he guarded his consciousness lest it be taken away lest it be stolen from him."
Gilda Frantz has practiced as a jungian analyst in Santa Monica for over thirty years. Born in Brooklyn, New York in 1926, she moved to Southern California at the age of seven. For a short period of time she had an active career as a theater, film and television actress in Hollywood and New York. She married Kieffer Frantz, M.D., who consulted briefly with Jung, and was one of the founders of the C.G. Jung Institute of Los Angeles and its low fee clinic. Gilda Frantz has authored many articles on aspects of individuation. She has been part of the Film Project that producedMatter of Heart and the Remembering Jung series. She serves as Co-Editor in Chief of Psychological Perspectives, a journal of Jungian thought. As Director Emerita of the Philemon Foundation she currently lectures on Jung's Red Book. Here she discusses her major interests: spirituality, creativity, loss and active imagination.
This conversation with Suzanne Wagner, Ph.D., a Jungian analyst practicing in Sausalito, CA, was filmed in Gilda's home in Santa Monica, California in February of 2004.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with Liliane Frey, Ph.D.
“Jung described in his letters how he draws the conclusion that we live always in two worlds. We live in the empirical world and we live in an eternal world… Synchronistic events are due to the breaking in of eternity into our empirical world.”
Born in Geneva, Switzerland in 1901, Frey received her Ph.D. from the University of Zurich in 1933. She met Jung the following year. From then on she analyzed and worked with him in research until his death in 1961. A psychotherapist and lecturer, she was also a senior training analyst at the Jung Institute in Zurich. She wrote two books, From Freud to Jung, andNietzsche: A Psychological Approach to his Life and Work. Here she discusses her long relationship with Jung, and some of her psychic experiences of him as mentor to the writing of her book on Freud and Jung; she gives her impressions of Emma Jung and Toni Wolff and the relationships among women around Jung; she defines synchronicity and describes aspects of the mystery of death and rebirth, including her own experiences related to Jung’s death. Dr. Frey died in January 1991 in Zurich.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with Barbara Hannah
“His best quality of all was his sense of humor. He really could just say the one thing! Schopenhauer said that ‘humor was the only divine quality of man.’”
Born in Brighton, England in 1904, daughter of the Bishop of Cheshirshire, Miss Hannah studied art in Paris in the twenties. Later she traveled to Zurich to consult with Jung after reading his article “Woman in Europe.” Eventually she made Switzerland her home base and became an analyst and lecturer at the C.G. Jung Institute. Three of her books are: A Biographical Memoir of Jung, Active Imagination: Encounters with the Soul, and Striving Toward Wholeness. Here she comments on Jung’s character in a variety of personal situations, on the problem of evil in modern times, on the significance of confronting the darker side of oneself, and the limits of a Christian upbringing in this regard. She gives her impressions of Jung as an analyst, and describes her own experiences around his death.
This conversation with Suzanne Wagner, Ph.D., a Jungian analyst practicing in Sausalito, California, was filmed in Bollingen, Switzerland in 1977.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with Joseph Henderson, M.D., Part 1
“He was the most reasonable man I’ve ever known. And whatever he did that was out of line, he was always willing to reconsider what he had said that disturbed anyone, and did it with great interest.”
Joseph Henderson was born in Nevada in 1903, educated in the East where Thornton Wilder became a mentor, and graduated from Princeton. He worked as a journalist in the San Francisco Bay Area where he met Dr. H.G. Baynes, a close associate of C.G. Jung. In 1929 He went to Zurich to analyze with Jung. He decided to become an analyst and went to medical school in London. He married Helena Cornford, daughter of a noted Cambridge scholar, and when the war broke out, they returned to the U.S. where Joe helped found the Jung Institute of San Francisco. Henderson taught at Stanford Medical School and did research there. Two books,Thresholds of Initiation and Cultural Patterns in Psychological Perspective, contribute significant and original insights. Henderson is regarded the world over for his unique gifts as a scholar and for his profound healing instincts. A central influence in the training of analysts, he retired from practice in 2006.
This conversation with Thomas Kirsch, M.D., a Jungian analyst practicing in Palo Alto, California, was filmed in the garden of Dr. Henderson’s home in May of 1977.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with Joseph Henderson, M.D., Part 2
“The products of technological life were not available to most people . . . .They didn’t have the knowledge to deal with them. . . .now, we all think we know exactly how to deal with them and so we go to war and kill ."
Dr. Joseph Henderson, a noted Jungian Analyst and one of the founders of the C.G. Jung Institute of San Francisco comments on how it feels to have reached his 100th birthday. He recalls his first contact with Dr. Peter Baynes who was Jung’s assistant. Henderson was a young man at the time, searching for a vocational path after graduating from Princeton. Later Henderson analyzed with Jung in Zurich. While he was studying medicine in London, he was introduced to his wife, Helena Cornford, by Peter and Carey Baynes. Henderson considers the many technological changes that have occurred over his lifetime. He notes the importance of symbolic imagery in art, in dreams and in cultural patterns and describes how his concept of the Cultural Unconscious emerged. This is a unique contribution to the advance of theory in Analytical Psychology. The long hidden history in Western culture of values and symbols relating to the nature of feminine consciousness and spirituality are noted in relation to recent developments in popular literature. He emphasizes that the images expressed in dreams, art and cultural expression are essential to an accurate interpretation of what is going on in the depths of the psyche, in the developments of consciousness in the culture, and in the individuation of the person.
This conversation was filmed in September 2003 in the office of Dr. Joseph Henderson in Ross, California. Dr. Thomas Kirsch, an analyst in Palo Alto, California and former president of the International Association of Jungian Analysts conducts this interview.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with Joseph Henderson, M.D., Part 3
“When Jung was first approached . . about 'Man and His Symbols'. . . Jung said “No . . ." The man came back later and Jung said, “You must be the man that was in my dream. I dreamed I had to do something for the marketplace."
Dr. Joseph Henderson, a noted Jungian analyst, author, and one of the founders of the C. G. Jung Institute of San Francisco, shows a mandala painting he produced as a young man. The images contained in it emerged in a period of Active Imagination during a visit to Zurich in the early1930s. He was pondering whether to enter medical school with the ultimate goal of becoming a Jungian analyst. This inner work helped to confirm his plan. He then considers the meaning of an archetypal dream Jung had six months prior to his death. Jung wrote a description of this dream in a letter to his friend, Peter Birkhauser, a noted Swiss artist. Henderson relates this dream to the archetype of the totem feast in which an animal totem is sacrificed and eaten. He links Jung’s associations around this dream to the changes in the collective unconscious as the the Age of Pisces passes to the Age of Aquarius. He recalls the writing of Man and His Symbols with Jung, Von Franz and others. At his last meeting with Jung, they talked after lunch about one of Jung’s strong interests, the sighting of flying saucers. With affection, he tells of the closeness which had grown between Jung and him over the years as their relationship evolved into a friendship between colleagues.
This conversation with Suzanne Wagner, PhD. A Jungian Analyst practicing in Sausalito, California, was filmed at the home of Dr. Henderson M.D. in Ross, California in December 2003 shortly after his 100th birthday.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with Aniela Jaffe
“Jung, in all of his theories, emphasized the paradoxy. It’s never either/or, it’s always both.”
Born in Berlin in 1903, Jaffe studied psychology at the University of Freiburg. When Hitler came to power, she moved to Zurich where she met Jung in 1935. She attended seminars and analyzed with Jung for many years, becoming his secretary in 1955. She collaborated with him onMemories, Dreams, Reflections, and with Gerhard Adler on the two volumes of Jung’s Letters. Other books by her include C.G. Jung; Word and Image (ed.); The Myth of Meaning; and Jung’s Last Years. Here she discusses the therapeutic value of the positive transference in analysis; the uniqueness of individual personality; the need for openness to new developments in depth psychology; the psyche as a foundation for authentic spiritual experience and maturation; and Jung’s personal attributes, including his temper. Frau Jaffe died in Zurich in October, 1991.
This conversation with Suzanne Wagner, Ph.D., a Jungian analyst practicing in Sausalito, California.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with Hilde Kirsch
“Jung also had the idea that if you want to come to your shadow, you have to live with somebody. Otherwise you deceive yourself.”
Born into a Jewish family rooted in Berlin since the 9th Century, Hilde Kirsch came to know Jung in the late 1920’s when she began an analysis that lasted until Jung’s death. She married Dr. James Kirsch, an analyst also training with Jung. In 1935 they emigrated to England. There she began her work as an analyst, prompted by Jung who sent her the first patient. In 1940 the Kirsches moved to Los Angeles where they, together with others, founded the C. G. Jung Institute.
Hilde Kirsch was one of several gifted “lay analysts” of the first generation after Jung. She gave generously of her time to build a sound program for the training of analysts. She also gave seminars, sponsored public lectures and hosted authors from around the world. For the younger generation especially, she became a guiding light respected for her particular gift of working with material from the collective unconscious.
This conversation, with Gilda Frantz, a Jungian analyst practicing in Santa Monica, California, was filmed in Hilde Kirsch’s home in May of 1976.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with James Kirsch, M.D.
“I think this is one of the great achievements of modern physics and of Jung’s psychology, that we know our limits.”
James Kirsch, M.D. born in Guatemala, and educated in Berlin, met Jung in 1926. Convinced of the magnitude of Jung’s genius, he analyzed with him in a periodic way until Jung’s death in 1961.
Finding disastrous events foretold in his dreams, Kirsch moved his family out of Germany when Hitler came to power. Eventually they emigrated to the United States where he and his wife Hilde, also an analyst, helped to found the Jung Institute of Los Angeles. He was active in the training of analysts and conducted scholarly research. He published two books,Shakespeare’s Royal Self, and The Reluctant Prophet. He earned the highest respect from colleagues the world over for his erudition in relating Jung’s findings to the fields of comparative religion, alchemy and literature. His gifts as a scholar combined with a capacity to evoke and recognize healing images from the deepest layers of the psyche in analytic work with patients.
This conversation with Janet Dallett, Ph.D., a Jungian analyst practicing in Port Townsend, Washington, was filmed in Dr. Kirsch’s home office in January of 1977.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with Rivkah Kluger, Ph.D. & Yehezkel Kluger
“I couldn’t stand life without this deep meaning—to become who one is by going the inner way.” –Rivkah Kluger
Dr. Kluger was born in Bern, Switzerland in 1907. She trained directly with C.G. Jung while in graduate school. Her dissertation on Satan in the Old Testament was later published as a book. She practiced for many years in Los Angeles and taught seminars all over the world on mythology and biblical stories. She and Yehezkel moved to Israel in 1969 and continued their work. She died at home peacefully in Israel in 1987. Here she gives impressions of Jung, discusses problems of modern women and the nature of individuation.
“I think of myself as a so-called orthodox Jungian. I mean Jung had enough to say that I’m still trying to catch hold of all of it, you see.” -Yehezkel Kluger
Yehezkel Kluger was born In New York in 1911. He was one of the first graduates of the C. G. Jung Institute in Zurich. He married Rivkah Schaarf and moved to Los Angeles where he practiced for many years. In 1969 he and Rivkah moved to Israel where they helped to found the C. G. Jung Institute of Israel. His book, A Psychological Interpretation of Ruth, came out after his death in 1995. Here he describes his days in Zurich, tells dreams at the time of Toni Wolff’s death, and comments on the struggle of Israel to survive.
These conversations with Suzanne Wagner, Ph.D., a Jungian analyst practicing in Sausalito, California, were filmed in Zurich, Switzerland in September 1979.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with William McGuire
“You know that he didn’t like a doctrinaire approach to his work. He has been known to say that he was glad he wasn’t a 'Jungian'. And so I think it half amused him to think that somebody working on the edition had a different background.”
William McGuire was born in Florida in 1917. He began his work with the Bollingen Foundation as a freelance editor in 1948. Later he became the managing editor of all of the Bollingen Series and Executive Editor of theCollected Works of C.G. Jung, The Freud/Jung Letters, and of several volumes of Jung’s seminars as well. With R.F.C. Hull, he was co-editor ofJung Speaking, published by Princeton University Press. Here he gives a detailed personal sketch of the history of the Bollingen Foundation, and of the relationship of Jung to Mary and Paul Mellon, who made the work of the foundation possible. He describes some of his own meetings with Jung and other people significant in events occurring in the formative years of Analytical Psychology. He is author of Bollingen, An Adventure in Collecting the Past, and Poetrys’ Catbird Seat.
This interview was conducted by Suzanne Wagner, Ph.D., a Jungian analyst practicing in Sausalito, California, and filmed in a residence in West Los Angeles, in March of 1982.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with C.A. Meier, M.D.
"Jung makes it very clear that conscience is something archtypal. It's an archetype of responsibililty to yourself as well as to the world."
C.A. Meier was born in 1905 in Schaffhausen Switzerland. He met Jung at the age of 18. Soon after he began studies which led to a medical degree from the University of Zurich. He then worked in close collaboration with Jung, Toni Wolff, and Emma Jung in the pioneering years of Analytical Psychology. He was President of the Analytical Psychology Club and later a co-founder of the Jung Institute in Zurich. People came from all over the world to work in analysis with Meier, who spoke fluent English as well as German. Of the many lectures and books he published is a series on the major premises of Analytical Psychology, amplifying them for a new generation. Meier was a respected scholar and a leading analyst in Jung’s closest circle. Here he speaks of the issues in relating to the shadow aspect of the personality. He gives his unique impressions of a more personal side of C.G. Jung, Emma Jung and Toni Wolff.
This conversation with Dr. James Kirsch, a Jungian Analyst from Los Angeles, California, was filmed in July, 1976 at Dr. Meier’s office at his home in Zurich. Parts of a second interview in September 1979 with Suzanne Wagner, Ph.D. are included.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with Johanna Meier
“The whole problem in Jungian Psychology is that he would like people to learn to relate to others.”
Joan Meier-Fritzche was born and educated in Glarus, Switzerland and studied at the university of Zurich. She married Dr. C.A. Meier and they had two children. Mrs. Meier was associated with C.G. Jung and Emma Jung both as a social friend and as a student, since her husband was for many years Jung’s closest younger colleague in Zurich. Mrs. Meier worked analytically with C.G. Jung, Emma Jung, Toni Wolff and later with Dr. Liliane Frey. She became a lay analyst and was an active member of the Zurich Analytical Psychology Club. Here she tells us about the special difficulties inherent in being the wife of a Jungian analyst. She gives some of her impressions of Jung, Emma Jung and Toni Wolff over the many years she was closely acquainted with them. She also comments briefly on women’s issues, on cultural difference, personality types and on experiences of loneliness, suffering and death.
This interview was conducted by Suzanne Wagner, Ph.D in the Spring of 1977 in the living room of Mrs. Meier’s home in Zurich. Mrs. Meier died peacefully in Glarus, Switzerland, March 2004.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with Rudi Niehus, M.D.
"In Kusnacht, he was the gentleman, he was a working doctor. He had his patients, he had his work, his writing, his books and so on. And in Bollingen, he lived!"
Dr. Rudi Niehus was born in Zurich in 1941, the son of Marianne Niehus-Jung and Walter Niehus. He is the grandson of C. G. Jung. He attended the Universities of Zurich and Basle where he earned a medical degree and is now in private practice as a psychotherapist. In this conversation he recalls his impressions from childhood of his grandfather as the “chief” of his large family. He describes the more earthy side of Jung which came out during retreats to his Bollingen tower. He also includes his impressions of his grandmother, Emma, and comments briefly on C. G. and Emma’s relationship to Toni Wolff, a long time colleague of Jung’s. A moving description of how Niehus struggled in choosing a vocational path reveals how dreams helped to guide him in following in the footsteps of his grandfather.
This conversation with Suzanne Wagner, Ph.D., a Jungian analyst practicing in Sausalito, was filmed at Dr. Niehus’s home just outside of Zurich, in September of 1979.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with Maud Oakes
“To me he (Jung) was a very wise man, and a doctor, a woodsman and a shaman…those four things. I think he was one of the most important men of his time.”
Born in Seattle, Maud Oakes later moved to New York, where she pursued her education and her interests in art and Ethnology. In 1951 she met Jung personally when she went with her cousin Jerome Hill to film him at his Bollingen Tower. Maud had lived among the Navajo in New Mexico and among the Mam Indians of Guatemala. She published two significant books reporting on myths and ceremonies of those tribes. Where the Two Came to Their Father, and The Two Crosses of Todos Santos are among the first publications in the Bollingen Series. Here Maud speaks of these experiences and tells of her later analysis with Joseph Henderson, M.D. with whom she collaborated on another book of myths and legends: The Wisdom of the Serpent. Maud describes her long process of writing her final book, The Stone Speaks, inspired by Jung’s carved stone in the garden at Bollingen. She died in Carmel, California in 1990.
This conversation was held in Big Sur in the summer of 1980 with Suzanne Wagner, Ph.D., a Jungian analyst practicing in Sausalito, California.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with Gilles Quispel, Ph.D.
"The 'Jung Codex' contains a writing which describes to us how man becomes aware and conscious of his deepest, innermost self."
Gilles Quispel is a distinguished professor of Early Christianity who was born in Rotterdam, Holland in 1916. As a young man he obtained a doctorate in literature and the humanities and went on to research and teach about the early Gnostics. He traveled all over the world to lecture and was a visiting professor at Harvard. In the 1970s Quispel hosted a television show. Among his many publications are Jung, A Man of Our Time, The Gospel of Thomas, and The Secret Book of Revelation. In this interview he describes his first meeting with Jung in 1944 in Ascona, Switzerland. He tells the dramatic story of how he gained the help of Jung and C.A. Meier to retrieve a valuable Gnostic text from the black market. This text had been part of a larger cache of ancient documents found in 1945 buried in a jar in Egypt near Nag Hammadi. Scholars consider these documents extremely valuable as the texts were from the first century C.E. and contained unknown sayings of Jesus. The lost text was retrieved and named the Jung Codex.
This interview was filmed in February 1977 in the home of Dr. James Kirsch in Los Angeles. Dr. Kirsch and Dr. Suzanne Wagner are the interviewers.
Dr. Kirsch, who trained with Carl Jung practiced as a Jungian analyst in Los Angeles. Dr. Suzanne Wagner Ph.D., is a Jungian analyst practicing in Sausalito, California.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with Sir Laurens van der Post
“It was one of his great achievements that he restored the dream to human beings as the word of God which, if properly read in a four-dimensional way, will show us where next to go.”
Sir Laurens van der Post, world renowned author, soldier, and statesman, achieved wide recognition for his efforts to save the vanishing Bushmen of the Kalahari. Born to a distinguished family in South Africa, he became a journalist, working in London and France. After World War II and four years in a Japanese prison camp, he traveled to Zurich and found himself seated next to Jung at a dinner party. Immediately a deep contact was made between the two and a rich and intimate friendship developed. On the anniversary of Jung’s 100th birthday, van der Post published a biography of Jung unique in its personal anecdotes and clarity of vision. Van der Post lived and worked in London after the war, writing numerous books. He was knighted in 1980 for distinguished service to the Queen. Sir Laurens van der Post died in London on December 15, 1996 two days after his 90th birthday.
This conversation with Suzanne Wagner, Ph.D., a Jungian analyst practicing in Sausalito, California, was filmed in London at Sir Laurens’ home in December of 1978.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with Vera von der Heydt
“It was he that gave me the key to really get in touch with what I call my soul. My spirit had always remained alive, but my soul hadn’t.”
Baroness Vera von der Heydt was raised in Berlin and met Jung in 1922 while helping to host a conference. World War II and a divorce brought dramatic changes to her life and she emigrated to England where she has lived ever since. Her own analysis began with John Layard, a gifted figure in the early days of Analytical Psychology. In time she traveled to Zurich to work directly with Jung and continued to consult with him periodically until his death.
In addition to her practice as an analyst, Vera von der Heydt was active in the training of analysts and in the presentation of Jung’s work to a wide public audience through radio and television. In 1976 she publishedProspects for the Soul: Soundings in Jungian Psychology.
In this film, Baroness von der Heydt converses with Richard Adams, author of the novel Watership Down. The filming took place in the London home of Mr. Adams, in December of 1978.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with Marie-Louise von Franz, Part 1
“If our western civilization has a possibility of survival, it would be by accepting the alchemical myth which is a continuation and a richer completion of the Christian myth.”
One of the most profound writers to follow Jung in the field of Analytical Psychology, Marie-Louise von Franz was born in Munich in 1915 and earned a Ph.D. from the University of Zurich. She began analysis with Jung at eighteen, and worked with him on research until his death in 1961. Her first major publication, Aurora Consurgens, is the companion volume to Jung’s last major work, Mysterium Coniunctionis. Among her other publications are C. G. Jung, His Myth in Our Time and On Dreams and Death. Here, she describes her first impressions on meeting Jung — their research into alchemy, the nature of projection, the importance of insight and reflection in resolving personal conflicts, and the self-destructive course of modern civilization. Dr. von Franz died in February, 1998.
This conversation with Suzanne Wagner, Ph.D., a Jungian analyst practicing in Sausalito, California, was filmed in1977 at von Franz’s tower retreat in Bollingen, Switzerland.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with Marie-Louise von Franz, Part 2
“One should found a women’s liberation society against the animus, not against men. That would be women’s liberation. And then your femininity recovers by itself.”
One of the most profound writers to follow Jung in the field of Analytical Psychology, Marie-Louise von Franz was born in Munich in 1915 and earned a Ph.D. from the University of Zurich. She began analysis with Jung at eighteen, and worked with him on research until his death in 1961. Her first major publication, Aurora Consurgens, is the companion volume to Jung’s last majo. Among her other publications are C. G. Jung, His Myth in Our Time and On Dreams and Death. Here, she discusses women’s problems with the negative animus, the nature of creativity, difficulties in the development of Analytical Psychology since Jung’s death, aspects of synchronicity, reincarnation, and life after death. Dr. von Franz died in February, 1998.
This conversation with Suzanne Wagner, Ph.D., a Jungian analyst practicing in Sausalito, California, was filmed in 1977 at von Franz’s tower retreat in Bollingen, Switzerland.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with Marie-Louise von Franz, Part 3
“A depression is a blessing of God… in the individual it’s the greatest blessing somebody can have. Jung always talked about the blessing of a neurosis because it’s the only way you are tempted to look within.”
One of the most profound writers to follow Jung in the field of Analytical Psychology, Marie-Louise von Franz was born in Munich in 1915 and earned a Ph.D. from the University of Zurich. She began analysis with Jung at eighteen, and worked with him on research until his death in 1961. Her first major publication, Aurora Consurgens, is the companion volume to Jung’s last major work, Mysterium Coniunctionis. Among her other publications are C. G. Jung, His Myth in Our Time and On Dreams and Death. Here, she talks about the shadow, about her work completing Emma Jung’s book on The Grail Legend, and on problems in relating to the psyche for modern people. Dr. von Franz died in February, 1998.
This conversation with Suzanne Wagner, Ph.D., a Jungian analyst practicing in Sausalito, California, was filmed in1979 at von Franz’s tower retreat in Bollingen, Switzerland.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with Jane Wheelwright
“I think what he did for women came in his tremendous interest in the individual. And women could be individuals too.”
Born and raised near Santa Barbara, California on the cattle ranch of her pioneering family, Jane was educated in Eastern boarding schools. Early in her marriage to Joe Wheelwright, she traveled through China, Russia and other parts of Asia. In 1932 she and Joe traveled to Zurich to consult with Jung about an ailing aunt. This meeting changed their lives. Joe began analytic work with Jung and started medical school. He was preparing to train to be a Jungian analyst. Jane began her own analysis with Jung later on after getting into difficulties as a young mother of two in London, where they lived while Joe was in medical school. In 1940, they returned to the United States where they helped to found the Jung Institute of San Francisco. Jane continued to work with Jung and began to practice as a “lay” analyst. She has become a leading analyst through her unique gifts as a teacher and a writer, in addition to her skills as a sensitive analyst. In her later years, she published Death of a Woman, The Ranch Papers, andThe Animus in Older Women.
This conversation with Suzanne Wagner, Ph.D. a Jungian analyst in Sausalito, California, was filmed at the Wheelwrights’ retreat near Santa Barbara, in July of 1977.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with Joseph Wheelwright, M.D.
“He said, ‘the point is, there are three of us (Freud, Adler and Jung) and we seem to be all of us doing a land office business, and if any of us had the whole truth, the other two would be out of business.”
Born and raised in Boston, Wheelwright spent summers in California where he met Jane Hollister. After their marriage, Joe and Jane traveled through China. Russia, and Asia. In 1932 they met Jung in Zurich. This galvanized the young Joe to pursue analytic training. He began to analyze with Jung and attended medical school in London. Returning to the U.S. as World War II broke out , the Wheelwrights settled in San Francisco where they helped to found the Jung Institute. Joe taught for many years at Langley Porter Medical School and the Student Health Center in Berkeley. He continued to travel, to stay in contact with Jung, Michael Fordham, Gerhard Adler, Erik Erikson and Gregory Bateson and served twice as President of the international Society of Jungian Analysts. A man of rare humour and lilting spirit, gifted in communicating deeper things in a personal, healing way, he is beloved as a leading figure in the field. Dr. Wheelwright died in June of 1999.
This conversation with James Yandell, M.D., Ph.D., a Jungian analyst practicing in Berkeley, California, was filmed in the garden of Dr. Wheelwright’s Kentfield home in May of 1976.
A Conversation about C.G. Jung and his Work with Lore Zeller
It never really occurred to me that one could experience the unconscious from a different side. In 1969 I said to Aniela Jaffe, "I still don't understand dreams and I don't see the interior landscape that seems so clear to everybody else."
Lore Zeller describes here the growing menace of actions taken by the Nazi government in Berlin in the early 1930's. Born in Berlin in 1914, Lore later married Max Zeller, a young attorney who was deeply engaged in the study of Jung's new psychology. In 1938, Max was arrested and sent to a concentration camp. She tells the story of many coincidences and unexpected happenings that helped her to get Max released. After two years in London they moved to the United States where Max became a Jungian analyst and helped to found the Jung Institute of Los Angeles. Lore's story helps us to see how tragic experiences of uprooting, cruel scapegoating, and profound loss aroused life saving instincts, great courage, and a strong commitment to the process of individuation in both Max and Lore Zeller. Lore Zeller died in July of 2006.
This conversation with Suzanne Wagner, Ph.D., a Jungian analyst practicing in Sausalito, California, was filmed in Lore Zeller's home in Los Angeles in March of 1986.